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A person reading a book detailing their full history is more self aware of a person without that hard memory?

Breloomancer

it might create something, but I don't know why one would assume that what it creates would be at all analogous to an external world

it doesnt need to be it can be pure fantasy with diffrent laws of physics!

but I'm saying, why would there be physics? maybe there would just be some sort of mathematical computation

ok ganna go eat dinner , spiiting slavia comes after that

Breloomancer

but I'm saying, why would there be physics? maybe there would just be some sort of mathematical computation

yes ofc

I can't speak much on what a person would look like with no external world at all - I think the results would be pretty chaotic and a little bit nasty - but there'd still be a person in there somewhere.

and so something like that might not lead to self awareness

Like a feral child, but worse.

if we are talking about about self awareness as described on wiki: "In philosophy of self, self-awareness is the experience of one's own personality or individuality." then no, a brain that has never experienced external world will not develop personality or individuality, because they don't even know what they are individual from but if we mean "is it experiencing something" that's a different conversation i wonder if you are talking about the same self-awareness

Hmm, I too will go. I have spent too long here and intended to switcherino about thirty minutes ago.

KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk

if we are talking about about self awareness as described on wiki: "In philosophy of self, self-awareness is the experience of one's own personality or individuality." then no, a brain that has never experienced external world will not develop personality or individuality, because they don't even know what they are individual from but if we mean "is it experiencing something" that's a different conversation i wonder if you are talking about the same self-awareness

everything experiences, but not everything has individuality

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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk

if we are talking about about self awareness as described on wiki: "In philosophy of self, self-awareness is the experience of one's own personality or individuality." then no, a brain that has never experienced external world will not develop personality or individuality, because they don't even know what they are individual from but if we mean "is it experiencing something" that's a different conversation i wonder if you are talking about the same self-awareness

Does concept of personality/individuality require it to be in the context of there being an other "not me" - maybe exposed to an outside world the person would be immensely confused that there exists something which isn't "me"? - they still have a concept of self, but they lack a concept of other

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Zen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2y51Fu7lGo

OOOOOOH, I LIKE THAT

Kreia unironically has some cool things to say about philosophy for those who will listen. Even if she's not 100% right.

6:50 PM

Her entire character is pretty much that in a nutshell. Constantly questioning presumption.

Fire away, I'm guessing we should be light on the criticism?

Say what when?

Oh, you put it in a spoiler tag and asked for people to listen so I was thinking she wanted to "lecture not debate"

No I was attempting to obfuscate the fact that I think Kreia's got legit one of the most well thought out philosophies in fiction. Not only that, but she teaches you it as a master would to a student throughout her game, so, it's legit one of the most cerebral and cool games in existence. Shame it was incomplete. I wouldn't suggest playing it without the mod to restore the game's content.

Oh, shoot, I thought you were talking about a tulpa

Sweet Jesus a Kreia Tulpa?

6:56 PM

She'd betray you within the year and make you like it too.

I've seen some fun tulpas that roughly followed similar patterns so I would not doubt it!

You don't even know. Genuine Spoiler: her title is the Dark Lord of Betrayal.

KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk

would you want to believe in things that are untrue?

Sometimes, yeah.

8:21 PM

for the dark lord thingy~

I can read auras to the extent I can't just say I'm making it up anymore

My guess is an aura is an imposed symbol that may give you more information on your perception of someone else, and therefore may or may not be more useful than normal perception. For example, let's say you can see the aura of someone and it's obvious they're tense. Maybe the perceived aura jitters a lot, and this percieved movement is surprising. Maybe it was obvious this person was tense, but not obvious they were very tense. From personal experience, I have found symbolism to help me explore a sensation I don't normally focus on and come up with a sense of measurement for it. While I know this sense of measurement is ultimately subjective, I think it's interesting my symbolism is surprisingly consistent. I don't know if attempting to manipulate an aura can be noticed by someone else, unless you're making a weird body gesture or come off as strange/manipulative towards that person.

maybe we could run an experiment like this one day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZeQGld5QBU

HaulMorgan

James Randi Tests An Aura Reader

Aura reading is trained exactly the same way as imposition, but with the added spice of supernatural belief reinforcing it. Honestly, it should be exceedingly apparent to anyone in tulpamancy that aura reading is a mental trick, rather than a psychic phenomena. (edited)

my thoughts exactly

12:07 PM

i see auras everywhere if i want, so i could interpret it as reading aura of a person and their mood, of electromagnetic fields around electronic devices, 5g, or anything else that people seem to see auras of

Aura reading seems like a fun way to do imposition, and for someone learning to impose visually that could be a helpful first step? Although I thought at one point imposing a blob of color isn't actually easier, maybe not. I'm not sure if I'm making this up or it's context dependent (Ganzfeld --> blob, Visualization approach --> need complete image)?

Actually to my mind it seems like an obnoxious way to learn it. Consider: You need a volunteer and a relatively blank background and to have this person sit still and to your mind genuinely express emotion while you convince yourself you see a shimmer around them which you can then shape into a colour expressing that emotion. (edited)

12:21 PM

Also, if you believe what these things are, is auras... why would it rationally extend that you can use the same process to impose a tulpa? I don't really see how someone can hold knowledge of imposition and even use it for aura reading without some serious doublethink going on.

12:22 PM

It would be significantly easier to simply impose a blob of colour independently and understand what you're doing is imposition.

I was thinking creating an "aura" and viewing it as symbolism would be more engaging and motivating than just imposing a blob. I would explain that you're probably just reading their body language and coming up with a different way to read them. Additionally, this would allow someone to experiment once they keep the blob, and they may have a reason to keep using it if imposing a tulpa is still too hard or they need a break from their tulpa for whatever reason.

Actually to my mind it seems like an obnoxious way to learn it. Consider: You need a volunteer and a relatively blank background and to have this person sit still and to your mind genuinely express emotion while you convince yourself you see a shimmer around them which you can then shape into a colour expressing that emotion.

You can get around that with stock photos. I only realized this until you pointed it out though

you don't really need people to practice that i've been seeing auras for a long time i'm pretty sure that even without any training if you looked at an object (doesn't need to be a person) for a few minutes you would start seeing it too i see it as an effect of the neurons specialising in detecting edges basically going more stimulated

I haven't tried aura reading since getting into imposition for the same reasons described but I used to see it like a bright flame over people's heads, and the way it moved went a bit beyond what I would have expected. It didn't seem like I was merely seeing the imprint because it was more like waving a lighter back and forth than an imprint of where their head was, but I've got to re-investigate now that I've got strong imposition

like others said I can't really bring myself to believe in it because I can see "auras" even in videos on a computer screen or around inanimate objects but at the same time I wouldn't be surprised if it was some reliable projection of the unconscious fueled by belief that makes it work

if that's the case though then I'd have to admit that auras are merely inquiring of your unconscious for arbitrary visions in imposed form, and in my experience those are interesting, well-meaning and insightful but often delusional or even dangerous

immortalbeggar

that reminds me c is constant in relation to our 3d prespective universe , but from higher Ds all contants can change to varibles .. thonk

based on level i guess

You said 3d specifically. Relativity has the idea of spacetime which is 4 dimensional, and 4th axis being time, but with which axis exactly in the 4 d's is the time axis depending on relative motion. I learned this from this video on the internet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlTVIMOix3I

EdwardCurrent

How Gravity Makes Things Fall

https://discord.com/channels/431579755037589505/431887969692024843/869194221167456296 Maybe this was taken to be sarcasm but maybe it was not sarcasm.

Either way that conversation was hilarious

10:52 AM

https://tenor.com/view/sassy-cats-ok-salem-sabrina-the-teenage-witch-gif-17401763

10:53 AM

Oh, let me copy/paste my story

10:54 AM

At the Walmart I saw a schizophrenic man and he clocked me, as in we made eye contact and there was the strong sense of recognition that he knew something about me. It was a lot more than normal stranger eye contact. I didn't think this in that exact second, but within a few seconds I wondered if he could tell I had/sense my headmates. I was telling my friend asmask about it and he told me, that's impossible, only very powerful Christians can tell that. (Perhaps as slightly more secular alterative I can say "the acutely spiritually aware." But that's not the point.) I told him, well... the guy was wearing a red ball cap with JESUS SAVES ALL written on it and a black tee shirt with JESUS SAVES SINNERS BE SAVED NOW on it. So maybe he could.

It seems more likely that if he was a schizophrenic man he recognized you as one of the lizard people.

10:59 AM

or maybe it was Marcus and he could feel the mind demons you have

You're the second person to say that! If someone could sense demons, they wouldn't pick up on tulpas

Bold of you to assume that all tulpas are not demons luring us into a false sense of security.

11:08 AM

My tulpas certainly do the best they can to tempt me toward darkness... and vice versa

Mine converted and led my brother and me to convert

11:08 AM

Some real fricking 4d demon chess if so

The trick is that they're aware another major religion is the correct one so y'damned.

Aw fuck aw no I always knew that daily llama guy was onto something

One can't prove I'm not a succubus in disguise either.

It's normally a common factor of demons that they cannot tolerate religious iconography and often specifically prayer. Of course since we don't know the right religion we'll have to just get you to recite all the major incantations of all religions. Please begin now.

It's normally a common factor of demons that they cannot tolerate religious iconography and often specifically prayer. Of course since we don't know the right religion we'll have to just get you to recite all the major incantations of all religions. Please begin now. attachment

@Zen - jump Our father, who art in hell, Hollowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, thy will be done On earth as it is in hell. We take this night our rightful due And trespass not on path of pain. Lead us into temptation and Deliver us from false piety. For thine is the kingdom, Of power and glory forever. We shall praise your unholy name. Satan shall emerge again! Amen.

11:47 AM

Is it a good start?

I detect a mind demon amongst us.

Zen

It's normally a common factor of demons that they cannot tolerate religious iconography and often specifically prayer. Of course since we don't know the right religion we'll have to just get you to recite all the major incantations of all religions. Please begin now.

what if a tulpa can't tolerate religious iconography or prayer?

1:26 PM

tulpa demons confirmed!

Yes.

Zen

It's normally a common factor of demons that they cannot tolerate religious iconography and often specifically prayer. Of course since we don't know the right religion we'll have to just get you to recite all the major incantations of all religions. Please begin now.

https://youtu.be/pDWR5RkWRTY?t=33

Movieclips

The Mummy (5/10) Movie CLIP - The Mummy Threatens Beni (1999) HD

7:50 PM

^ technique to test your tulpas?

people around me keep having dreams about someone opening the secrets of the universe, and I think this is what its about. 2D shapes hold all meaning and symbolism. The shame is that I can explain it but have nobody to tell, but all my friends keep having dreams about me opening the secrets of the universe

2:28 PM

more symbolism in shapes (Secret of Kells)

2:33 PM

if you have dreams about someone on these forums going wild or discovering something then please tell, I love hearing about it its so bad that I'm thinking about starting a movement where all dreams about the movement confirm its existence, and its purpose is to document dreams about the movement itself, somewhat as a memey jab unto itself while also explaining the meaning behind shapes

its a bit crazy but like I said I keep seeing dreams from friends/family/ someone on the forums about discovering the truth in shapes (example- https://community.tulpa.info/topic/7356-game-last-one-to-post-wins/?do=findComment&comment=341767) so its starting to drive me mad (edited)

Damn sonnn I love that movie!

ayyyy secret of kells lover I just rewatched it recently and the symbolism is way stronger than I remember it being basically its all about seeing shapes and making books about it

All of those movies are dope, I recently saw Wolfwalkers

2:51 PM

Sign me up for lycanthropy if THAT'S what it's been the whole time

2:51 PM

Wayyy cooler

woah nice I had no idea about Wolfwalkers. I'll watch it this evening

Do it!!

lycanthropy- their soul is balanced between red and green (love and hate) and decorated with purple (insight) but lacks yellow (joy) but with a crown of their own. Surrounded by black (negativity/ poison) and portrayed without hands and feet, destroyed by the poison that surrounds them. Both soft and harsh teeth, warm blooded and intuitive, not an unfeeling reptile, but a lone wolf. Not a king, but with a crown of their own, lone wolf being

3:25 PM

there's symbolism in everything. Once you see how it connects to 2D shapes you'll never be the same, like the dream said

Wolfwalkers is gorgeous but the writing is very meh

4:33 PM

Secret of Kells and especially Song of the Sea are where it's at

4:35 PM

Meanwhile, yaya's messiah complex intensifies

Unfastened Belts

Meanwhile, yaya's messiah complex intensifies

don't give me that, if someone formed a cult on here you'd be the first to join

not that I'd indulge in such behavior. Half of what this knowledge does is piss people off. Maybe the dream was right for saying don't investigate. I'm the one that's mad the most, after all, mad meaning both terms here

5:48 PM

what if though, everyone started having dreams and investigating it and the entire world just woke up at the same time. You have to admit that would be sick. It would be like a self-fulfilling prophesy of how all our unconscious minds are linked together, all trying to wake up at the same time

5:53 PM

then the dreams start getting more and more intense, suddenly people start having them even when awake, they keep getting more and more widespread, then two sides form- those for, and those against. It's the ideal outcome, way more cool than any other apocalypse, you gotta admit

5:53 PM

the tulpacalypse starts right meow

5:55 PM

plants flag

Uhhhh you lost me at hello

put a satellite in outer space or something that way I know when to come back down

6:56 PM

lmao

basically what I'm describing is some kind of mass hysteria like the dancing manias of the middle ages except it spreads virally through the internet and people think its some kind of awakening leading to the understanding of shapes, symbolism and dreams

7:10 PM

rooted in reality or not, but leaving people with the understanding of shapes nonetheless

7:11 PM

the internet is still pretty young and I'm surprised at the absurd lack of understanding of shapes and "all things being one" as I often describe

"Understanding of shapes" hmmm Im pretty sure shapes are just, shapes

then it hasn't begun yet

just kidding but serious

What would be gained if all people "understood shapes", anyway?

There are so many principles and patterns easily observable in nature (for example, the way that plants and crystals grow) that point towards some kind of all pervasive, inherent system of organization and synchronicity and "oneness" that is present in everything, which contradicts materialistic ideas and ideas about a "random" universe. This is a big part of what helped me realize that we're more than just atoms floating haphazardly without direction or purpose. There isn't some kind of king-like god figure (the one described in christianity) that created everything, because none of this was ever created in the first place, it always was. It's a fractal that expands infinitely in both directions, infinitely small and infinitely large, with no beginning or end. The "purpose" of life isn't to be enlightened or be morally perfect or get to heaven or anything, it's just to create and experience whatever you want to experience, forever. And an important thing to understand is that you're not like a stranger thrown into the world when you're born. You are not IN the world, you are OF the world, you're like a wave on the surface of the ocean. Just because you look like a separate part in that moment of expressing yourself as that wave, does not mean that you are actually separate. We are all the same "thing" expressing itself in different configurations, sometimes choosing to experience itself as separate from the rest.

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